06 June 2012

Homegrown Azkals getting angry ?

"On the other hand, many  (homegrown Azkals) have left our local camp angry and swearing not to play for the national team again citing biases and the lack of opportunities"


Rick Olivares (Bleacher`s Brew)
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32 comments:

  1. bonifacio7 June 2012 at 02:32

    nice!

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  2. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 02:45

    bonifacio7 June 2012 02:32

    which one you referring to....the local will not play or the tension regarding the biases....

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  3. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 04:45

    Not good enough sila eh paano ba yan? Pag banban ka forget it!

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  4. WMG7 June 2012 at 05:25

    Parang ganito lang yan. Ako noong teenager pa lang may basketball team kami, 12 na bata. Marunong ako maglaro at mid-level ang galing ko. Kapag naglalaro na kami at magaling ang kalaban. 5 minutes lang out of 40 minutes laro go mas dominated nang mas magagaling sa akin. Noong una masama loob ko kasi di ako nakakalaro pero later narealize ko is una sa team na kinabibilangan ko, sa coach ko at sa contribution ko as team player.
    Una, yung coach ko gaya ni Coach Weiss ay gusto manalo kaya yung alam niya na malalakas ang gagamitin niya pero may tactic din siya para tingnan yung ibang team member na makakatulong para manalo at makalaro na din. Kapag natalo ang team ang coach ang unang sisisihin at pag nanalo siya ang pupurihin. Mabigat ang responsibility nang coach to use his team properly and he must be decisive to get a win. Tanong, bakit pa tayo naglalaro kung gusto natin matalo lang, syempre gusto natin manalo at si Coach Weiss gagamitin nya lahat ang mga tao niya to win for the Philippines.
    Pangalawa, yung player gaya ko dati, whether I play or not I have to support the team and support the coach. Nung naglaro ako noon, it felt like heaven nang naglaro ako at ang it is much better nang nananalo kami at masama ang loob ko sa mga talo namin. Ang mga players sa NT ay binigyan nang prebilehiyo na maisuot ang flag at uniform nang Pilipinas dahil sa may nakitang galing sa kanya at tumulong sa team.
    Pangatlo, TEAM TAYO. PILIPINAS TAYO. DAPAT ANO MAN MANGYARI, MATALO O MANALO. NUNG NCAA, SA MAPUA MAY CHANT KAMI PARA SA TEAM NOON, "MATALO MANALO, BUGBOG KAYO". KASI MINSAN NATATALO AT NANANALO PERO FULL SUPPORT PA DIN KAMI SA TEAM. WALANG KUNG ANONG INIISIP ANG BAWAT MEMBERS AT MGA SUPORTERS KASI DARATING DIN ANG TIME NAMIN NA MAG-CHAMPION. GAYA SA PILIPINAS SUPORTAHAN NATIN SILA. SANA WAG NA TAYO MAG-ISIP NANG KUNG ANONG BAGAY NA MAKAKASAMA SA TEAM NATIN. IISANG TEAM LANG TAYO.
    YUNG MGA KAPATID NATIN NA FIL-FOREIGNERS, NANDITO SILA PARA TUMULONG SA TEAM AT YUN ANG NASA ISIP NILA.
    ISIPIN NATIN PASULONG AT HINDI PAATRAS. TEAM PILIPINAS TAYO. MATALO O MANALO (SWERTE NGA SA FOOTBAL ME TABLA) OR TABLA.

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  5. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 07:23

    u r ryt my friend! but bcoz we have a meeting ryt now, i will explain to everybody why i agree w/ u...ATLETICO MAGALLON-MUFC

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  6. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 07:46

    look what is happening to our grassroots now or shall we say young national teams.....di ba wiping boys pa rin.......kahapon lang 9-1 tayo sa thailand........hay nako naman babalik ba tayo sa old days natin na minamaliit tayo ng ibang bansa pagdating sa football???????? wake up at imulat nyo naman sana sa katotohunan ang prinsipyong yan.

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  7. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 08:05

    Lets take the case basketball - the most popular team sports in PH which is supposedly a sport we can be proud to say we excel in - but how many Fil-foreigners were in our Smart Gilas national team - 50 or 60% ? Considering that this is even a sport where a million kids play in the streets and where many could have "qualified". Did the Philippine-born players or anybody for that matter raise a howl against Coach Toroman and our basketball officials? Nada. And why not? Because we want to send the best of the Filipinos and we want to win. Is it hard to admit that we are not in the same level as these Fil-foreigners who started their careers at the age of 3 yrs old and taught with proper fundamentals of the sport that most local basketball or football players lack. We can never be as good as them unless we play against better players both internally and externally. That's what has happened the last 50 years and do we want to be in the same rut again. Winning means more exposure for the sport which eventually equates to more sponsors, more commerical leagues, more money for PFF's programs. Sorry to say, our players now - whether in basketball or football are not as good as those based abroad.

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  8. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 08:14

    And if you mention the height factor as one of the reasons we get Fil-foreigner basketball players, consider this: before Neil Etheridge who stands 6'3", our national team keeper was Mike Casas who stands 5'5". Borromeo then was our tallest national player at 6'1" and he had to run all the way to the other end for corners...

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  9. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 09:08

    Ganito kasi yan, ang coach ang intention nya ay manalo. Coach Weiss is not responsible for training anyone, he is responsible for training players who already are the best at what they do. Siyempre po sa game, pipiliin nung coach maglaro ang best players, ano naman po ang sense kung ifi-field ang hindi the best? Ang goal po naman ay manalo, diba? Kaya puro fil-foreigners ang nag-dominate nang line-up ay dahil meron silang talent na na-nourish mula pagkabata pa lang. Kasi lumaki sila sa ibang bansa na talagang ine-encourage ang growth ng football, meron sila talagang advantage sa home-grown players natin dahil dyan sa pilipinas, hinda pa rin kasing sikat ang football, at to be honest, sa mga schools, hindi talaga masyadong concern ang development ng sports. Nakaranas na po akong mag-aral sa ibang bansa at meron po kaming leagues every county, so sanay po talaga kami sa competition, and meron po kaming mga tournaments as early as age 5.

    Ngayon po, para ma-match ng home-grown players are talent and focus ng mga fil-foreign players, kaylangan po, bata pa lang, nag-start na ang training and conditioning. Optimistic naman po ako na dahil nga sumisikat nga po ang football sa pilipinas, mag-iimprove po tayo at meron po tayong ma-ooffer na leagues for our young football-hopefulls.
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    To address po yung lack of professionalism ng mga homegrown players na naging angry because they haven't got a chance to play, maybe instead of becoming frustrated and feeling ignored and underappreciated, baka po pwedeng i-channel nalang po itong energy na ito sa training para po maging better players po sila. I believe heavily on self-reliance, that anyone can be anything they want to be as long as they work hard for it, and I believe that with enough hard work, ang home-grown players po natin na medyo nasa disadvantage dahil hindi na nourish and talent nila, ay kayang rin sabayan ang iba po nating fil-foreign players. It's all about hard-work.
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    I hope I don't start any arguments~ *Sorry for my misspellings, I hate proof-reading.

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  10. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 10:12

    To anonymous 09:08,

    I agree with you that we should put in the best players possible fil-foreigners or homegrown as long as we win. I dont care what they say a win is a win especially at the highest level. Pero ang nangyari deskriminasyon hindi nangyari sa game kundi .sa camp. Ask the homegrown players what happened in San Carlos City especially in the training how Coach Weiss discriminate the homegrown from the fil-foreigners.

    To give you an example, why is there separation of players (homegrown and fil-foreigners) in the training doing the same drill Coach Weiss handling the fil-foreigners while the filipino assistant coaches handling the homegrown players. This is a camp wherein Coach Weiss should have a hand in selecting the players whom he believes compliment his strategies. Kung ikwa ang nasa kalagayan nila, ano ang gagawin mo? Baka gagawin mo rin ang ginawa nila?

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    1. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 10:25

      Nakita ko po yung point nyo, pero as with anything, kaylangan po talagang profesional ang bawat isa. Hindi naman po siguro kaylangan na magalit, o mag harbor ng ill feelings. Baka naman po nakuha sana sa usapan. O baka naman po na meron specific purpose for the separation. Ayo ko naman pong mag-assume nang worst-case-scenario. Pero kung nag didiscriminate po talaga si coach Weiss, de dapat po siyang i-report.
      But I will stop there kasi hindi ko naman po alam ang full story, pero base lang po sa nabasa ko at sinabi nyo, ito po ang opinion ko.

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  11. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 10:37

    To Anonymous 9:08. If what you are saying is true about the seperation between homegrown and fil foreiners in the training camp, then the cosch needs to be sacked.. However, I have some extreme doubts in believing that what you are saying is true. First of all, Weiss has always stressed that cohesion is the most important thing they want to achieve in order to be succesful. I can't believe that he can't see that this can be achieved by seperating the players, which would be reckless given tha fact that Chieffy, a home grown player is our captain. The only thing that can make this understandable in any way is the language barrier, as the home growns speak very little english. But even this wouldnt make sense as they could learn it by training and communicating with the other team members. I doubt that they are being sorted out according to skill..Chieffy and Araneta are way better imo than lets say bahadoran and clarino on their respective positions.

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  12. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 11:13

    The best way to get first hand information is to talk to patrick deyto or arnie pasinabo or ruben doctora. What do you think is the reason why doctora did not go to bacolod with the team to play in the 4 team friendly?

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  13. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 11:42

    if it's ture they left the camp ...then it is very unprofessional....and so they wouldn't deserve a slot in the team. we should always field our best players and at the moment our euro based players are the better ones.....before leaving the camp they should ask themselves how to become better players instead of acting so naive. in every national teams players are invited and know they won't have a chance to be chosen in the starting eleven....but they don't leave the team and instead of that they work harder to earn a slot ....that's professionalism which seems that many so called native players lack...and apart of that: with our euro based players we would still be the whipping boys of SEA and ASIA....even with our good players we have a hard fight with our local neighbours....and without them we would have no chance even to get a draw. For me it all players are Filipinos no matter where they were born....we should support them and be proud of them....and not always start such ridiculous discussions about "home grown" or "foreigners"...it sounds like they are two classes of men.

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    1. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 13:07

      The usage of 'homegrown' and 'non homegrown' is legitimate and can't avoided! There is no discrimination or anything or like that when using those terms!

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    2. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 19:51

      It's divisive however.

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  14. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 13:45

    Most fans of any emerging football nation NT naturally believe things can only get better.
    Azkaleros may have to wait a little longer than most.

    This is PHI; nepotism and favoritism is going to happen in sport the same as it does in any other activity but it's pointless to blame 'discrimination' for what's going on under Weiss.

    Football's no different to any other skill; it
    takes time, training and experience to be fully competent and all Fil-fors have had that since early schooldays.

    This doesn't mean homegrown players should despair. None of the current squad are more gifted than average and the PFF has already searched the world for fresh faces. No new ones will be appearing anytime soon.
    There are of course undiscovered gems out there but the simple fact that they have not
    approached [or have declined invitations from] Manila means they prefer to play in and for their country of domicile.

    This means homegrown players will be carrying the NT torch in the future. Unfortunately there will be a crippling shortage of fuel as long as the PFF keeps concentrating most resources on international image and the only real football league is in the capital.

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  15. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 14:22

    Now the Ilonggos are being discriminated by the coach? They should tell that to Luzon and Mindanao born players trying out for the national team 10 years ago. Now its the other way around and they can't hack it boo hoo.

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    1. Anonymous8 June 2012 at 14:00

      fully agree with you with what happened before. especially if the NT coach is from Iloilo or Negros.

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    2. Anonymous8 June 2012 at 14:02

      a dose of your own medicine

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  16. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 14:49

    If you read bleachers brew, Rick was referring to Anto Gonzales.

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  17. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 16:07

    angry sa inyo tikal, d ba? kayo rp tm noon,wla naman kayo na achive puro talo,

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  18. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 16:14

    sana puro half breed tm natin natin, para my chance mahalo ng big league.wag isama mga tiukal, u14 sa future un,

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  19. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 16:21

    umuwi si deyto and pasinabo dahil may game archers

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  20. Anonymous7 June 2012 at 20:00

    I really don't think there is a basis for this at all. Think about it, how come J de Jong hasn't been seen playing lately and just sitting on the bench? Do you see what I mean? So the allegation that there is discrimination against the locals is clearly not supported by evidence. Weiss is using whoever he thinks suited well for the game plan and that's all. One more thin, I think the local players should use this as a motivation because this now a competition within the team to grab one of the 11 spots. Be a man and accept the challenge. The NT pool is getting deeper and that's another thing that our players need to understand; compition for the position is now much higher than before.

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    1. Anonymous8 June 2012 at 04:22

      you're right, include Reichelt in the list. he never got to play but did not take it negatively. that's professionalism. sadly, yung ibang mga "homegrown" natin (AGAIN, NOT ALL), appreciation nila is that they should have more right and deserves preferential treatment just because dito sila based. the inferiority complex always sets in kung di sila napipili and will cry discrimination.

      kahit naman kasi i tale-of-the-tape comparison yan, kulang pa talaga sila compared sa foreign based azkals.

      ito namang mga writers are sensationalizing the issue, they did not mention about foreign trained/born azkals included in the line-up na bench warmers lang. hahaaay....

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  21. futbolpunx7 June 2012 at 20:58

    i think the theme here is the philippines' reliance on everything foreign..that foreign is good, filipino is bad and needs training in your colonized brain.

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    1. Perko Aalntraca7 June 2012 at 23:31

      Think of it in terms of our football program is still in its infancy. Case in point, look at the U23's performance. We simply can not afford to have local players get killed in the field. In short to medium term we need our foreign based Azkals to just compete while we wait till our local football program to mature. It will take at least ten years to see better quality players.

      So stop deficating your comments.

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    2. Anonymous8 June 2012 at 00:35

      futbolpunx, I know what you are pointing out, as the saying goes "the grass is always greener on the other side". And this statement does not hold true in Philippines alone. It's true everywhere. But in this case, the fil-fors are just a bit better, and this fact should not be negative, instead, our homegrowns should look at this as motivation to get better and match the quality of play that our fil-fors provide.
      As a developing nation, we can only hope and work for our dreams. Dispel nagativity and anguish, focus on the target at hand.

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    3. Anonymous8 June 2012 at 23:16

      100 % correct football is a team image and group skills,talent. disciplined and commitment, the problem of some Pinoys, are having insecurities attitude don't look for individuality skills and talent..its a TEAMWORK plus factors are an individual skills and talent.. once you are a professional player, you should be happy either you played or not as long as you are still part of the team, whatever the outcome of every game consider yourself that you are the part of it, failure or success but you are one of them... this is the character of a true AZKALS players... don't felt any negative things just support your teammates and enjoy the whole game and be proud..

      Fil-Fors and Homegrowns are all Filipinos they played with dedications for the love and honor of our country the Philippines

      We hope, this kind of issues had no place in the mind of every Filipinos....lets move forward and learn the best things from other players which you think he is better than you, much more experienced than you considering as your idol then developed, improved your skills and talent.. let the people discover your talent and ability instead forget yous insecurities.... as a homegrown players..be thankful and satisfied for where you are now...." Football is the name of the GAME "...thanks

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  22. WMG9 June 2012 at 08:16

    Isa ho na gusto ko maidagdag sa usapan na ito.

    Huwag nating gawin isyu ang team natin ay halos maraming ginagamit ay Fil-foreign players. Ito na ang sitwasyon natin ngayon. May benefit ba ito sa NT natin. Isang malaking OO.

    Una gumaganda ang standing natin bilang NT sa buong mundo. Me reklamo pa ba kayo diyan. Sino ba ang dapat i-commend, e di yung buong team, mula kay Coach Weiss, Dan Palami, team management (asst. coaches & assts managers), ALL players (ALL with FILIPINO blood in their veins), ALL Fans, media, financial supporters and other commercial supporters.
    Sa tingin nyo ba yung mga Filipinos na kasama sa commercial na pain reliever...mapapasok sila dun kung hindi nakilala ang galing nang buong TEAM.

    Maaring me masama ang loob, given na yun maski sa pamilya nga ay may konting inggitan, tao lang sila. Pero wag naman natin alisin ang talagang objective natin pangkalahatan at sa hinaharap.

    Sana makita natin lahat ang naging epekto nang team na nag-fourth place sa 2010 Suzuki Cup, na nakapasok sa Round-1 (1st and 2nd Leg) at nag-3rd sa AFC Challenge Cup.

    Tumabla tayo sa Malaysia at Indonesia na tinatalo tayo lagi sa isang friendly na tumalo din sa reigning Suzuki cup champion na Vietnam.

    Ano ba yan mga kababayan ko. Tingnan po natin ang ang ngayon at hinaharap. Yung complaints nang mga player at kung ano pa yan ay nakalipas na ang tingnan natin ay ang 2012 Suzuki cup.

    Magaling si Coach Weiss, isang gentleman at mabait. Siguro tsismis lang ang sinabi na pinag-hihiwalay niya ang mga players. Team nya yan puro Filipino.

    Kailangan ilagay natin sa isip natin na lahat natin ay may dugong Pilipino. Magagalit sa atin ang mga Pilipinong magulang nila kung aalisin natin sa kanila ang bagay na iyon.

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  23. Anonymous10 June 2012 at 18:45

    Besides, Coach Weiss doesn't believe in "half-this, half-that". He does not discriminate and make distinctions. The guy's married to a Japanese woman, for crying out loud. His kids are "half-half" too. Why would he be racist?

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