MANILA, Philippines - Former national coach Juan Cutillas yesterday appealed to the Philippine Football Federation (PFF) to limit the participation of Fil-foreign transients in all levels of international competition, particularly the coming Southeast Asian Games where the maximum age is 23 for the sport.
“I can speak freely because I am neutral,” said Cutillas, a former Spanish football player who now lives in the country with his Filipina wife and their two children. “I’m grateful that finally, football is gaining recognition and popularity in our country but there are several issues for the PFF to address. Let’s face it. The Philippines will remain at the lower level of the Asian standings for a long, long time. In the recent Challenge Cup qualifications, we couldn’t even beat Palestine and Myanmar.”
Without dampening the enthusiasm created by the Azkals’ emergence as the country’s latest sports heroes, Cutillas said it is necessary to put perspective and focus in planning for the future.
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tama sya. i agree with his opinion.i'm no expert in football but i think more local players -- pure-blooded Pinoys -- should be given more chance to participate in the national team.
ReplyDeleteas he said, "“Every Filipino would like to see a genuine national team made up of Filipino players in the SEA Games.”
Not just in SEA Games and football, but in all other sports and international tournaments.
Good luck!
At last someone savvy enough and brave enough has said the unsayable: the Azkals are now actually damaging to Philippine football. With busloads of Fil-Fors to choose from, plus truckloads of cash and a team in permanent training the NT should be streets ahead of every other country in the Asian emerging nations football group. Instead, the latest FIFA rankings rate PHL poorer than they were last year.
ReplyDeleteOf course real improvement is going to take time but the only improvement of lasting value must be at grassroots level. The Harlem Globetrotters the Azkals are not. All this gallivanting to Japan and Germany - even Cebu and Davao - does nothing except divert money away from where it should be going: towards encouraging and assisting ordinary Pinoys to develop their football skills and someday play with pride for their country.
"limit"? you mean limit progress, is that what you mean? and then go back to living under a rock. fuck limit, whatever works, whoever has what it takes, howsoever percentage of "other" blood ii involved for so long as there's a drop of FILIPINO, that's good to go than be race-centered ideal cutillas-concept but unable to deliver team.
ReplyDeleteI remember speaking with a Malaysian football player back in the mid 90s during one of the EAGA tournaments. He (and the other ASEAN players) were wondering why the Philippines had so many 'Eurasian' players as well as in our TV shows and movies. I just answered that we inter-marry often. But I didn't tell him the truth: that we Filipinos feel those who have mixed caucasian blood look much better and are better. That has been since the days of the Noli and El Fili. That we look down at ourselves for being "Indios". In other Asian countries, they are proud of their race. In Japan, they call white people "Gai-jin", a derogatory term. In China, they call white people "Gweilo" or foreign devil. There was even a time in China that if a local marries a white person, their children are considered "impure" and therefore outcasts. "Eurasians" in many Asian countries are considered of a low breed and are mostly ostracized. But not in the Philippines. We long to have mixed caucasian blood. We admire movies and tv stars who are mestizas and mestizos. Most of us can't wait to see the children of our relatives who marry white people.
ReplyDeleteA friend of mine worked as an expat in Hong Kong for a large company. They built satellite businesses in Singapore, China, Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. But not in the Philippines. He had asked his seniors why not the Philippines and they unanimously responded that they are not that familiar with the Philippines, that our country doesn't seem like an Asian country.
Our national teams in basketball started recruiting fil-ams to man their teams. Now are football teams are doing the same thing. Yes it will work for the short term. But in the long run, I don't think the Filipinos are winners.
Pinoy Ako - The Philippines is considered the "Latin Heart of Asia," which is why we're not really considered to be "(typical) Asian" by Asians. We're the ONLY predominantly Catholic nation in Asia which again makes us different from our neighbors. Millions of Filipinos have Spanish surnames which again makes us different. And here in California, the Latinos are slowly integrating the Filipinos in their community because they think we are Latinos too due to our last names and historical ties with Spain.
ReplyDeleteI think you have been brainwashed because Filipinos are proud of their race/nationality too. Filipinos have a tendency to say "Proud To Be Pinoy."
Japanese and Chinese people living in their respective countries tend to be prejudice towards other races and nationalities which is why they have derogatory words for foreigners and bi-racial people. Do Filipinos have a derogatory term? While children who are mixed breeds are looked down on in the Far Eastern countries, they're treated as equals in the Philippines. So while you think that we look down on ourselves, we're actually living the Christian way of life, which is to love, respect and treat people equally no matter their race, color, religion, ethnicity and creed. Isn't this what God teaches us and the way the world should be?
It's obvious that we Filipinos tend to be more open-minded than our Asian neighbors about inter-racial marriages. And this is not a bad thing but rather a great thing because Filipinos live in every country of our planet. Do you have any idea what the general perception of Filipinos are from North Americans, Europeans, Africans, Central/South Americans, South Asians and Middle Easterners? They appreciate that, while living in these regions, Filipinos tend to assimilate in their local cultures, speak their native tongue and learn their local customs while maintaining our proud heritage. Unlike the Chinese and other nationalities that tend to stay amongst themselves and build their own communities, Filipinos reach out to expand their horizon.
So, the next time you are asked why there are many Eurasians in our sports and entertainment worlds, proudly say that The Philippines is like a global village - a melting pot where people from all over the world come and feel at home because they won't be discriminated against due to their nationality, race and color. It's where you can love/marry someone with different ethnic/religious background without being judged and discriminated against. In a world full of hate, Filipinos teaches how to love.
I completely disagree with what Cutillas said because his suggestion is basically reverse discrimination. These Fil-Foreigners wants to play for our country. They can respectfully decline if they don't wish to play. Yet they're willing to make sacrifices to leave their local teams simply to represent our beloved motherland. When they come to the Philippines, you can sense their excitement and how proud they are to be a part of the national team. So what makes them "less" of a Filipino simply because one of their parents happens to be of another race? Is this how we should treat Filipinos with foreign blood - that we should discriminate against them because they're not "completely" Filipinos? Stop and think for a moment how utterly absurd this is. It's a low class mentality.
ReplyDeleteIF Cutillas and his family were living in Spain and one of his kids was good enough and desires to play for our national team, should his kid be prevented from playing because he's not full-bloodied and doesn't live in the Philippines?
Until the Philippines can establish a first class football league with top notch local talent equal to the top tier of Asian leagues, the national team MUST ALWAYS be composed of the BEST footballers whether local or foreign (as long as they have Filipino blood in them). Our country deserves the best and nothing less. So the finest players should be representing our national team not players meeting the "ethnic requirements" of the team.
TheMyth malamang anti RH Bill ka no? (hehe peace man!))
ReplyDeleteYes, the finest players should be part of the national team. That is why the ongoing U23 tournament will help us find the finest players for the upcoming SEA Games -- as committed by PFF. I just hope there would be no shoo-ins, especially those who did not play in this tournament.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you TheMyth on several counts.
ReplyDeleteIf we treat mestizos and mestizas as equals, why then the overwhelming preference for tisoys and tisays in Philippine movies and television unlike our Asian counterparts? Why the overwhelming preference for tisoys and tisays in print and tv ads? Because in all honesty, we find mestizos and mestizas more attractive than the natives.
Why get Fil-ams, Fil-Brits, Fil-etc for our sports national teams? Because of this pervasive perception that they are better than the natives.
Living the Christian life of love, etc? Hmm...be truthful to yourself! Look around you, very high crime rate, murder, rape, graft and corruption. Let's not be hypocrites here. Let's be honest. We have tisoys because many of our women hope to live a better life by marrying white people. I'm not saying that all mestizos and mestizas came from this arrangement. But it is prevalent. And that's reality. It's not about because of 'equality'.
That's the truth. The painful truth.
very well said...
ReplyDeleteactually, reality, factually, truthfully...the philippines will never be able to reach high levels of football. because we are a B-country: basketball, boxing, billiard and beerhouse country. PERIOD.
ReplyDeleteBlame it on the national media - irresponsible journalism... Kahit personal issues ng ibang tisoy na azkal dyan kinucover..ni halos wala ngang news or coverage bout UFL or even the ongoing U23 and U19 PFFSuzuki Cup... dagdagan pa ng mga naglipanang trying hard na mga "Azkals" fan site na puro picture at pacute ang inaatupag...
ReplyDeleteAll comments here are valid and well taken. With all due respect kay Cutillas premature naman yung statement nya. Let Weiss think and ponder over these new recruits. Although I agree we need long a term goal, we can start by promoting/supporting our own local leagues.
ReplyDeleteBTW, SOME of the fil-fors recruits were already contacted even before hindi pa sumikat ang Azkals, now im beginning to think na why join now? Ni hindi nga nagrereply sa email noon, ngayon baligtad na, sila na ang nagagalit dahil di raw sila pinapansin. With the influx of so many fil-fors im afraid the chemistry of the team will be detrimentally affected.
go cutillas..even your a spanish by blood you look the wellfare of the locals...for me you are the true person who have a open minded mentality....
ReplyDeleteto myth im sorry i disagree to all your comment as i read it you sound hyprocrite...lets see how you treat the aetas...do you treat them as the mestizo???and inter marriage is by majority the reason is for them to have a better future....for the immigrants though i respect their decision they left the country...leaving their nationality behind though i like to hear that they still are proud of their of geneology or their ethnic origin but still they left the country....you know why because of unfair treatment of the local compare to mestizo's.especially the NCR mentallity of centralizism and the special treatment of mestizo....i know you will disagree but thats the truth...
To all the people that agrees with Cutillas are a bunch of boneheaded dumb asses!
ReplyDeleteOK, so he does make sense in some ways but for the most part especially regarding his views about the national team(s) and the Fil-foreigners, is completely outrageous, stupid and short sighted!
As a general rule for a national team, be it football or any other sport, players shouldn't get picked just because they are local or just because they're half-Filipino. It shouldn't matter if they're pure, half, or 1/4 Filipino and it shouldn't matter if they were born abroad or not, at the end of the day, the best players should be picked. Especially in this day and age of globalization. And as of now, most of the best players are the foreign born half Filipinos! If they are eligible and willing to commit themselves 100%, they should be playing! All of that is a fact and will remain a fact for some time to come!
The national team is a transient team, not just the players! So it makes most of what he's saying even more retarded!
I think may point si Cutillas when it comes to putting a limit to the number of Fil-for sa team:
ReplyDelete-with no limit, we will see most members of the national team to be Fil-for and this will discourage grassroots development of football in the philippines.
There's nothing boneheaded about his point. meron logic, di niyo lang masyado pinag-iisipan.
ito lang ang naiisip ko everytime I see vietnam, thailand, malaysia at indonesia play football. THEY ARE FREAKIN' GOOD!! They play really good football even without/barely any half-foreigner playing for their teams. Sa Philippines, we CAN'T really say na totoong atin, kasi medyo artificial ang galing natin. it would really be cool if we win in football na most of the line up are homegrown pinoys.
ReplyDelete"with no limit, we will see most members of the national team to be Fil-for and this will discourage grassroots development of football in the philippines."
ReplyDeleteThis is also a very boneheaded statement. How will foreign born Filipinos all of a sudden discourage grassroots development?!?
In fact, it should encourage it even more! Especially since there's too much of "pinoy pride" type of attitude/mentality that seems to be present. And because of that, then you would expect all sorts of programs to improve the local football and therefore eventually have more locals being called up to the national team.
It should also be an incentive for locals to step up and improve themselves to get ahead of the better players (the Fil-foreigners). If they're not able to use it as an incentive to better themselves then all the more it's the right decision to not include many inferior local players in the national team setup!
Hey anonymous of 11:16 AM, i think you're not too bright. stop and think. in the past 3 or 4 months, we have seen 5 or 6 new fil-for players joining the azkals. did the national team coach even bother visiting the best footballing cities in bacolod, ilo-ilo, davao, dumaguete, etc??? that's what you call discouraging the local development of football. you're the bonehead. you're just an armchair observer. the best players from these cities have been fighting hard to get into the national team for the past 2 decades, we even did well in the 1991 Sea games drawing vietnam 2-2 and lost a close match to malaysia 0-1. but suddenly PFF heads started concentrating on players from manila and foreigners, THAT discouraged grass roots development. stop being a freakin' bonehead. and get off from that armchair.
ReplyDeleteMay 17, 2011 11:16 AM
ReplyDeleteyou are boneheaded...kung may development na matino o may training na maganda do you think mangangailangan pa tayo ng halfs.......why not open up sa discussion at wag manginsulto ilatag mo ang point mo....kamu naiintindihan namin yang sinasabi ni cutillas....
may tanung of all the trend sa mga blogs regarding sa recruitment may narinig ka bang recruitment sa locals??? you can not feel that dahil malamang NCR ka....but sa poor stricken province na may limited training, nawawalan ng gana ang mga kabataan na maituloy ang football......indi masama ang may half-foreigners na naglalaro satin dahil instrumental sila...pero ang ibig lang sabihin ay may parallel opportunity sa locals o may development man lang para may shot na makasali sa NT seniors team panu sila maencourage eh wala nga tayong matinong football program . of course except sa mayayamang FA clubs and university...kaw ang boneheaded dahil ang perspective mo ang gusto lang manalo indi yung long term effect ng phl football program...
Hope all you guys realise Cutillas' comments above are only an edited version. Click 'Philstar' at the end for the full story.
ReplyDeletei'm sorry. i thought this was the binibining pilipinas page. most of the dumb people who posted above were discussing more of appearance than about football. hey! the de guzman boys and alaba are not caucasians? try googling it, ignoramuses. although they picked a different country to represent, you don't know how much effort pff exerted on getting at least one of them.
ReplyDeletethe program: train hard -> get a scholarship from big schools -> try-out for the UFL or other Southeast Asian club -> that's only a few inches away from the national team... can't any local boy do this? i don't think it's impossible..
ReplyDeletehow can you not be proud of being a filipino? even those who only have at least a drop of our blood tryout, train, and represent us with pride in their hearts.
ReplyDeleteYUNG NAG COMMENT DITO NA INAAMIN NA HINDI FOOTBALL EXPERT, HUWAG NALANG KAYO MAG-COMMENT REGARDING HOW TO BUILD-UP THE STRONG TEAM...NAKAKATAWA NAMAN KAYO, TIRA KAYO NG TIRA PERO SA BIBIG NYO GALING MISMO NA HINDI KAYO EXPERT...
ReplyDelete"ito lang ang naiisip ko everytime I see vietnam, thailand, malaysia at indonesia play football. THEY ARE FREAKIN' GOOD!! They play really good football even without/barely any half-foreigner playing for their teams. Sa Philippines, we CAN'T really say na totoong atin, kasi medyo artificial ang galing natin. it would really be cool if we win in football na most of the line up are homegrown pinoys."
ReplyDeletehello? do these countries prioritize basketball?
Hah!! teka!!teka!!saan ka bang planeta galing at paano mo nasabi na walang half-foreigner or foreigner?...mag research ka muna bago magtalak..FYI vietnam, Inodonesia, Thailand has more than 5 naturalized player...
ReplyDeletethe de guzman boys and alaba are not caucasians? try googling it, ignoramuses. although they picked a different country to represent,
ReplyDeletesi david alaba ba kamu...kaw magsearch brod...filipino nga sa ethnic origin pero anu hawak nya citizenship...at de guzman brothers...hehehehe....naging apelyido lang pinoy, pinoy na trato...local both mother and father is filipino citizen (not in ethnic origin) a person born in the philippines (republic of)
the program: train hard -> get a scholarship from big schools -> try-out for the UFL or other Southeast Asian club -> that's only a few inches away from the national team... can't any local boy do this? i don't think it's impossible.....
yes maganda yan....pero competition is very tough specially UAAP and NCAA ang kilala....someday magiging competitive ang ibang universities in visayas and mindanao at makikilala din...at pwede kung may tamang programa sa grass roots...someday...
i disagree. as long as they are filipinos whether they are based here or abroad they should be allowed to represent our country. let the best filipinos represent our country, if the "locals" are the best then let them represents us. i hate putting labels on people. lets us not label them fil-fors, locals, natural born, naturalized,etc. just calls them filipinos.
ReplyDeletelonewolf
lonewolf - I completely and absolutely agree that we as a society, especially the media, should STOP putting labels on biracial Filipinos. It seems that every article I read about biracial Filipino athletes, entertainers and models, the authors repeatedly make it a point to state that they're Fil-whatever even though we as fans/readers already know their backgrounds. It's utterly ridiculous. Who the heck really cares if they're biracial? It's really not important but the media magnifies it.
ReplyDeletefuvurutu - Did I not state that our Asian neighbors tend to be more prejudice towards mixed breeds? It's quite obvious that if their societies look down on biracial people, their appearances in entertainment-related industries would be very minimal. This is usually the case when blatant racism exists in a society.
ReplyDeleteHowever, since football is the topic here, as far as employing biracial Filipinos for our national team, it isn't because of the public's pervasive perception that they're better than the natives; rather it's because they play at a higher level of competition than the natives. In other words, the better the competition, the better their overall skills.
Europe is where the highest level of football competition is played so naturally exposure to this region gives Fil-Euros a huge advantage. Keep in mind that our most talented athletes play basketball, thus the athletic level in football isn't on par with our Southeast Asian neighbors. Also, we may have been playing football longer than most Asian countries but RP football never properly developed, thus it has and was always an after-thought until the Azkals placed it on the map. Just look at the dismal results of our matches in the last 10, 15 or 20 years as proof that local talent alone cannot compete in the international stage.
As far as "living the Christian way of life," I think you completely took it out of context. My response was about discrimination, racial tolerance and equality not about crime, murder, rape, graft and corruption. What you brought up is a different topic altogether and irrelevant to Cutillas' statement. I made a comparison about how biracial people are treated in our country versus other Asian nations.
To Anonymous 9:07 AM
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to engage me in a debate, calling me a hypocrite without knowing a thing about me doesn't make your argument more valid. With that being said, ending your argument with and I quote, "I know you will disagree with me but that's the truth" only reflects your own opinion but doesn't necessarily make it the only truth. We can argue about the real meaning of the term "truth" but that's not really why we're here.
The topic that I replied to was how biracial people are discriminated against in other Asian countries and why Filipinos have a higher tolerance towards mixed breeds.
Without going into details about who and what I am, all I'll say is this - since I've traveled to nearly 100 countries, I've come to learn and respect people equally and do not make judgment based on their race, color, ethnicity, religion, beliefs and creed. In fact, I have also met Aeta people during my last visit to RP and was fascinated by their culture.
Many of you continue to believe that Filipinos marry other races with the sole purpose of bettering their future and livelihood. Granted there's a grain of truth in that but you neglect the fact that in order for these marriages to survive, they must also like and care and have affection for each other. Marriage is hard enough but when you mix two people with different backgrounds, it makes it even more difficult. In other words, simply being married to non-Filipinos doesn't automatically give them tickets to the "Promise Land." They still face similar hardships and challenges.
Even though the Philippines is an emerging nation and its economy continues to improve, unfortunately millions of Filipinos still live in poverty. Since opportunities are limited, the other more appealing option is to work abroad. Even Filipino professionals cannot ignore the lure of earning more money by working overseas. In short, these are the two major reasons why Filipinos leave our country. And if you ever get the opportunity to travel abroad and meet Filipinos, you'll discover that (in general) they are more patriotic and more proud of their heritage and ethnicity. If only hundreds of thousands of well-paying jobs are created in RP, they'll gladly return to the home they miss immensely.
To Anonymous 9:51 AM
ReplyDeleteI asked before and I'll ask it again because I'm truly puzzled why you guys are missing this significant point I made - WHY MUST we place a limit on the number of Fil-Foreigners playing for our national team? Do some of you really consider and view these biracial Filipinos as less of a Filipino because they're not full-blooded? Do you not see how totally absurd that is? I mean, what makes you more special because you're full-blooded Filipino?
These Fil-Foreign players are as proud of their Filipino heritage as full-blooded Filipinos, yet some of you continue to "protect" the interest of the local talent because you feel that having a national team composed of a majority of full-blooded Filipinos makes the team more "genuine" somehow. I don't disagree that full-blooded Filipinos deserve to be in the RP team BUT they should be in the team based on their talent and skills not because of the percentage of their Filipino blood. Nothing is given while everything must be earned.
In my opinion, the most outstanding Filipino footballers are the only ones who deserve to wear our national uniforms and represent our country - not players who qualified because they met racial prerequisites. The mentality of even arguing about the "Filipinoness" of our players is completely ludicrous and mind-boggling. If there are exceptional and amazing talents from our local pool, believe me, they'll get noticed and invited to try out.
However, if our past national teams comprised mostly of local footballers are proof that our local talent is subpar, then you know the reason why there are very few that play for our current national team. Besides, should we not assemble the best players possible without regard to the percentage of their Filipino blood? A Filipino is a Filipino is a Filipino. Don't judge others if you don't want to be judged.
You also said and I quote, "with no limit, we will see most members of the national team to be Fil-for and this will discourage grassroots development of football in the philippines."
On the contrary, what the Azkals has achieved has encouraged a better organization of grassroots development of football which is evidenced by the publicity it has received nationally, regionally, locally and from major companies. Even non-football fans are paying attention and actually following the national team, whereas, no one paid much interest before because the team barely made a blip on that national radar. In fact, there was no "Team Azkals" before the arrival of the Fil-Foreigners. Now, we have kids wanting to be the next Phil or James or Neil.
If the Azkals achieve the impossible of qualifying for the World Cup, I guarantee you interest in football will surpass our imaginations. And I guarantee you all our games will be the most watched in RP. I imagine that our Southeast Asian neighbors will closely follow our games too. And if you think the Pacquiao fights generated national interests, the Azkals will surpass that. But I'm dreaming of the impossible and getting ahead of myself.
My point being is that if the Azkals go far in the WC qualification, their achievement(s) will garner national attention and will have a positive domino effect on our grassroots development because winning has a contagious effect on people - it makes them want to be a part of it.
"Pure, not pure blood" that is racist. I dont even want to read on what people think about it. You guys who believe in this are narrow minded people. Somebody above is right, we should choose players based on skills, not ethnicity. Being born in this country from both Filipino parents doesnt give you automatic rights to represent this country, prove yourself on the field.
ReplyDeletei remember a girl named akiko thompson, teary eyed and looked so proud as her country's national anthem was being played in 1991's sea games. it felt so good being filipino that day. it ain't about blood.
ReplyDelete@The Myth you said "Just look at the dismal results of our matches in the last 10, 15 or 20 years as proof that local talent alone cannot compete in the international stage." Do you even know what you're talking about???
ReplyDeleteDo you know the Philippine team played well in the Manila 1991 SEA Games and the 1995 Chiang Mai SEA Games? And most of the players during those years were local boys, players from the Visayas and Mindanao.
What dismal??? You brag about being to 100 countries (which I doubt) but you don't even know about the football players of Ilo-ilo, Bacolod, Dumaguete, Davao, Cebu, etc.
to anonymous of 8:40: I remember several sports news articles back in 1991 during the SEA games that there were 3 or 4 lady swimmers in the Palarong Pambansa who have faster swim times than Akiko but some sort of politics involved in the selection of the Philippine team.
ReplyDeletethe point is, there are a lot of really, really talented athletes in the country. I believe there several local football players in the countryside who are even better than 4 or 5 of the players in the Azkals team. Unfortunately we don't really have a very good screening and selection process. I remember the 3 or 4 lady swimmers in the news articles that were better than Akiko who weren't selected came from very poor families. I remember one was from a small sea-side village in Surigao who couldn't make it to the national try outs in Manila because her family couldn't even afford the trip.
ReplyDeleteTheMyth makes some brilliant super-sensible points so let's stir the soup pot a little more.
ReplyDeleteOf course Fil-Fors are better players than natives but only because of the facilities and opportunities available when they were younger. 9 out of 10 kids in Europe play football; mostly casually but many in organised teams. 9 out of 10 in PH have probably never even kicked a real ball.
This disparity will never change without a massive investment of public money in maintained recreational open spaces. Which is impossible because (a) there are very few free spaces left in cities and towns and (b) public money usually ends up in private pockets.
Yet never fear that the day will not come when every Azkal is home grown. Forget all this patriotism nonsense. Football at professional level is no longer a sport; it's Big Business.
Just as professional Filipinos prefer to queue up to go abroad for better pay; the best Fil-For footballers prefer to stay abroad for the same reason. This will hurt but not a single
'foreigner' in the Azkals squad has ever held a first-team place in any foreign top league side (and that includes Saints Neil and YH).
Which means there are no skills barriers to any talented young Pinoy hoping to join the chosen few. YES YOU CAN!
the myth...you are indeed mayaman....100countries hmmm....i think thats the way you forget what philippines really are...it is not an open mindedness but a western liberal mind....no wonder why...mestizo/mestiza mentallity exist. now i know your a half breed also.
ReplyDeleteback to football ....as i said there are no problem on the fil-foreigners as long as meron parallel training oppurtunity sa mga locals...sa ngayon anu magagawa ng locals sa mestizo, eh d wala sa mentallity pa lang talo na....pero sana meron continues training sa locals, like sa under 23 ngayon...sana continues ang technical training para sa gayun 3 to 4 years from now if sasali sa try-out for NT selection, locals have a shot to join the team.the training is not for NCR only but to other provinces also.
Tama naman si cutillas e limit lang yung fil-fors sa NT 4 or 5 ok na yan kaysa sangkaterbang fil-fors kawawa naman yung mga talented na local players wala nang chance.kaya naman nang local yan eh basta maganda ang football program at tuloy-tuloy lang.
ReplyDeleteTalented locals?? The question is, are they much more talented than the foreign born players? For the most part, the answer is no!! Therefore there are less locals in the national team! Once again, you don't give players a chance for the sake of giving them chance dahil "kawawa" sila! That's just total BS!
ReplyDeleteI remember 1991 ASEAN games silver ang Philippines noon.tinalo natin ang mga magagaling na team like malaysia,thailand etc.halos local boys ang member nang NT like norman fegidero,rudy del rosario and elmer bedia na naglalaro pro sa autralia.paano mo masasabing philippine team yan kung foreign born players.kaya nga e limit nga para makapaglaro ang local boys para madagdagan ang exposure nila sa international at lalong mahasa ang mga talent nila.bakit nag 2nd naba ang azkal sa asean kahit sangkaterbang foreign born players?last na asean football or suzuki cup nakapasok lang tayo sa semis pero tinalo parin tayo nang indonesia.
ReplyDeleteTalented locals?? The question is, are they much more talented than the foreign born players? For the most part, the answer is no!! Therefore there are less locals in the national team! Once again, you don't give players a chance for the sake of giving them chance dahil "kawawa" sila! That's just total BS!
ReplyDeleteso hanggang dyan na lang...admitted naman na malaking difference ang comparison....kaw nagsabi so anu dapat gawin ng PFF...and i disagree with you we have a talent on the countryside...the only thing binibigyan ba sila ng attention para sa further development man lang???meron ba silang technical training na pareha sa NCR (which dyan madalaas kinukuha ang NT players)??? but still here are the example the recent under 23...asan na ang senior NT stand out asan na sila???
again basahin mo concept na ibig sabihin ni cutillas...kahit sya admitted na magaling ang fil-foreigners pero dapat huwag pabayaan ang locals yun lang man ang ibig nyang sabihin o ang ponto nya.....gets mo....
kaya nga ang point nya e limit nga.gets mo.... kaya nga umaapela si cutillas sa PFF na bigyan nang attention ang mga locals gets mo....kung hinahanap mo ang senior NT stand out nandyan naglalaro sa UFL like globe smartmatic,airforce,army ,kaya fc etc.gets mo....ang point ni cutillas to limit the participation of fil foreign transients in all level of international competition.gets mo.....,
ReplyDeletecutillas doesn't know his ass from his elbow. o yeah, he can gob off crap about what he thinks is right but for the most part he's just an annoying yahoo. kita na yung upward trend nitong ganitong set up sa ngayon babalasubasin mo pa sa kunwaring "genius" mong pangarap. what'd you do, wake up onw morning and had an epiphany?
ReplyDeletebut thanks for breaking it down for real theMyth. you are taking fires and holding up pretty strong. i got your back, kid.
To Anonymous MAY 18, 2011 8:55 AM
ReplyDeleteCongratulations to our RP Teams that did well in both the Manila 1991 SEA Games and the 1995 Chiang Mai SEA Games. Not to take anything away from these two teams's achievements, my question was, how did our national team do overall in the last 2 decades? 2 out of 20 years doesn't sound too impressive, does it? And if I'm not mistaken, our FIFA rankings didn't break the 160 mark, did it? And what effect did the '91 and '95 teams do to football in RP after their successes?
Yes, I readily admit that I don't know about the football players of Ilo-ilo, Bacolod, Dumaguete, Davao or Cebu because I really have no reason to. I don't care to follow players (unless they trigger my curiosity) because I follow the team. By you following them, does that make you more of a football fan than me? I mean, what was the point of bringing that up anyway because you neglected to elaborate on it?
Lastly, you have every right to doubt me and I certainly don't fault you for that since you don't know me. Besides, most people in the internet have a tendency to brag anyway. However, my brothers and I are avid travelers. We've been traveling the world for over 15 years. We mostly travel by ourselves and on certain occasions, we'd make plans to meet up in certain countries.
May pa travel travel around the world ka pang sinasabi football lang ang topic. Umabot na sa kayabangan.tsuuuuunami!!!!
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ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not a half breed. Both my maternal and paternal great grandfathers are Spaniards but that's the extent of my foreign connection.
Hiring Coach Weiss has benefited and will continue to be advantageous for the overall health of football in RP. As part of the condition to hire him, Germany will transfer their technical know-how and football knowledge which (hopefully) will trickle from the national team down to the local leagues. And this is where the people in charge of the grassroots developments play an important role. It will be their responsibility to make sure that what Germany shares with us is efficiently passed along the chain of command. I sure hope there's a way to check and grade the coaches and trainers to make sure that they're not only meeting our minimum requirements but rather exceeding our expectations.
Money is obviously a requirement but you honestly don't have to be rich to travel. You simply just have to be smart in stretching your budget. Staying in hostels and visiting places frequented by many single tourists are two important keys in traveling. Why? Because you'll have a very high probability of meeting people from different parts of the world. And when you become friends with them, and if they liked you, they'll invite you to visit and stay in their places. Having a free place to stay and often having free food to eat will stretch your budget a long way.
I strongly believe in the saying, "Strangers are friends you have yet to meet." Since I often travel by myself, I go out of my comfort zone to meet people.
To Anonymous MAY 19, 2011 7:05 AM
ReplyDeleteThere's a saying, "If you don't have anything good/nice to say, it's better not to say anything."
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTheMyth malamang anti RH Bill ka no? (hehe peace man!))
MAY 17, 2011 6:17 AM
I'm sorry but I don't know what "malamang" means. Regarding RH Bill - I'm a strong supporter of it.
And Peace Out to amigo.
the myth
ReplyDeleteslowly you know now what we mean about the plight of the local players since time forgotten....you have to make a reason for this everybody or somebody disagrees with you ...now it is time for you to learn the ways of the south in football terms, and you will see how good our countrymen in football are...it is just we need a depth training that an international coach can give.
no doubt if your rich...good for you, you have the resources...an advice, try to reach out every corner in the country just focus only sports study them and you will see.
limit the stint of fil-fors? why? here is a short list of national team who've "employed" the services of foreigners (mixed-parentage and immigrates)to play for another national teams.
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Austria Robert Golemac (CRO)
Tomislav Kocijan (CRO)
Ivica Vastic (CRO)
Zeljko Vukovic (CRO)
Belgium Luis Oliveira (BRA)
Branko Strupar (CRO)
Gordan Vidovic (BOS)
Josip Weber (CRO)
Bulgaria Zoran Jankovic (YUG)
Predrag Pazin (YUG)
Zlatomir Zagorcic (YUG)
Canada Branko Segota (CRO)
Tomasz Radzinski (POL)
Cyprus Sinisa Gogic (YUG)
Milenko Spoljaric (YUG)
Croatia Eduardo Da Silva (BRA)
Greece Daniel Batista (C. VERDE)
England John Barnes (JAM)
Germany Gerald Asamoah (GHA)
Fredi Bobic (SLO)
Sean Dundee (SAF)
Miroslav Klose (POL)
Oliver Neuville (SWI)
Lukas Podolski (POL)
Paulo Rink (BRA)
Ernst Wilimowski (POL)
Holland Tscheu La Ling (CHI)
Simon Tahamata (MOL)
Italy Attilio De Maria (ARG)
Enrique Guaita (ARG)
Humberto Maschio (ARG)
Luis Monti (ARG)
Raimundo Orsi (ARG)
Omar Sivori (ARG)
Japan Wagner Lopes (BRA)
Rui Ramos (BRA)
Alex dos Santos (BRA)
Mexico Gabriel Caballero (ARG)
Poland Emanuel Olisadebe (NIG)
Portugal Deco Sousa (BRA)
Spain Thomas Christiansen (DEN)
Donato Silva (BRA)
Alfredo Di Stefano (ARG)
Ladislav Kubala (HUN)
Juan Antonio Pizzi (ARG)
Ferenc Puskas (HUN)
Diego Tristan (ARG)
Switzerland Nestor Subiat (ARG)
Johan Vonlanthen (COL)
Hakan Yakin (TUR)
Murat Yakin (TUR)
USA Ante Razov (CRO)
Hugo Perez (SALV)
Preki(YUG)
Roy Wegerle (S. AFR)
FROM FORMER COLONIES
Belgium Emile Mpenza (CON)
Mbo Mpenza (CON)
France Jocelyn Angloma (GUAD)
Ibrahim Ba (SEN)
Marcel Desailly (GHANA)
Christian Karembeu (N. CAL)
Thierry Henry (GUAD)
Bernard Lama (GUY)
Lilian Thuram (GUAD)
Patrick Vieira (SEN)
Zinedine Zidane (ALG)
Holland Winston Bogarde (SUR)
Edgar Davids (SUR)
Ruud Gullit (SUR)
Jimmy Hasselbaink (SUR)
Patrick Kluivert (SUR)
Michael Reiziger (SUR)
Frank Rijkaard (SUR)
Clarence Seedorf (SUR)
Pierre van Hooijdonk (SUR)
Aaron Winter (SUR)
Portugal Eusebio Silva (MOZ)
Mario Coluna (MOZ)
Rui Jordao (ANG)
Dimas Marques (JAR)
Paulo Madeira (ANG)
Abel Xavier (MOZ)
kind of late in joining the discussion. Just would like to add my comment last december in bleachers brew on his article entitled "Azkals play the globalization game"
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I noticed that Asians in general have a hard time accepting foreign born players in their team. It has been accepted practice in football in Europe since the beginning. Past greats like Alfredo di Stefano who was born in Argentina spent most of his career playing for Spain. Today modern European teams actively recruit players from other nations to play for them. France esp. wouldn't be as successful today without their successful recruitment of players(Zinedine Zidane) from their previous colonies which you can even see in the makeup of their team today. Germany has Turkish players in their team. Other European teams have African players in their midst. They have even convinced players from nontraditional football playing nations like the US and Canada to play for them instead e.g. Giuseppe Rossi(born in US) plays for Italy, Owen Hargreaves(born in Canada) plays for England, and our very own Jonathan de Guzman(born to Filipino and Jamaican parents in Canada) plays for the Dutch youth teams. Today the US has an extensive network set in place to look for players in other countries who can possibly play for their team. At the U-20 level, they have even convinced some players to change affiliation from their previous youth teams(e.g. Alex Zahavi from Portugal, Fabian Hurzeler from Germany to theirs). In the same vein they have lost players from their youth teams to other countries(e.g. the above forementioned Giuseppe Rossi to Italy, American born and raised Michael Hoyos who now plays for the Argentinian youth teams. Because of our colonial history we ourselves have a long tradition of having players of mixed ancestry. Our very own Paulino Alcantara, the greatest Filipino and Asian player who ever lived is of mixed Spanish and Filipino ancestry and holds the records for most goals scored by a Barcelona player, and has played for the Philippines, Spain, and Catalonia. If only other Asian teams wouldn't be so shortsighted, they might be able to contend not only at the Asian level but at the world level as well(e.g. Indonesia have plenty of Indo-Dutch players who are world class and have even played for mighty Holland like Von Bronkhorst). Of course ideally teams need to have a mix of homegrown and foreign based players from traditionally strong leagues in Europe and South America to excel. We really don't have a truly professional league at this time, where we can develop players, so we must depend upon our foreign based players to help us contend. Unlike players in other countries in Asia and elsewhere, this foreign based players who play for us, have very little financial incentive to play for our team. For instance, Vietnam just offered their team millions of dollars if they win the Suzuki cup this year. The same thing goes with other teams in our region. Other nations like South Korean, etc. not only receive financial benefits but are also excused from military service which is a huge motivating factor for a lot of their players. In contrast our players from abroad come here sometimes at their own expense to play for our national team for love of country and for love of football. Can this other countries who criticize us say the same?
cjeagle - well said. Many countries have more lax rules (than the Philippines) regarding citizenship just so they can assemble the best possible players to play for their national teams. I recall Ireland's entire 1994 World Cup roster consisting of English players who all played in the EPL. Everyone of their players had Irish ancestry but not one had an Irish parent. Yet, I'm perplexed why some of our fellow countrymen are strongly opposed to the idea of our players that are only half Filipinos playing for our team. It bothers me that they're actually biased towards half-blooded Filipinos who are as proud of their Filipino heritage as full-blooded ones. It's a backward mentality.
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ReplyDeleteI never doubted the skills, athleticism and talent of our countrymen, especially players that hail from the Visayas and Mindanao. I'm certain that with technology and proper training and proper diet, their skills will vastly improve. Filipinos are naturally athletic people. Unfortunately, we lack the financial resources to fully develop our football talent in all levels. But let's be thankful that the Azkals has finally brought attention to this beautiful game - a sport we can potentially dominate in the Southeast Asia. We've already seen how competitive our NT can be so we're aware of the vast potential. I strongly believe that we can surpass our Asian neighbors if more resources are poured into this sport.
I know for a fact that there are wealthy Filipinos that will become more involved with the PFF. I cannot disclose any names but you will see a new and stronger and financially solid Filipino Premier League (or another league name) being established. I'm not sure of the time frame when the league will be started but it will happen (hopefully very soon). I'm very excited because our future league will rival the best leagues in Asia. And I believe teams will be established in the 12-14 biggest cities in RP - not all concentrated in NCR.
Actually if you look back at a similar thread a few months ago by the same author Quinito Henson again interviewing Juan Cutillas bringing up the same issues, you will see a similar discussion in the thread column. Henson has brought up facts in the past that showed his ignorance of world soccer and likes to write negative articles on the game. I don't think our fellow Filipinos realize that if we weren't competitive in the international scene, the average Filipino will not follow the sport and there will be no funding for the various programs that are now allowing the sport to flourish in our country. It would be different when we have our own professional league to develop our players but for now we need our countrymen based abroad to be competitive and help build up support for football.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this lovely, lively, rainbow-colored discussion. European Premier Leagues are now full of Africans and South Americans brought up in nipa huts who learned their skills barefoot on the street or on the beach.
ReplyDeleteSome of the best are now also Asians - something that would have been laughed at not so long ago.
All any Filipino hopeful needs to know is there's nothing exclusive about the beautiful game.
haha.. :P its fine to have "fil-foreigners" in the line-up as long as they are filipinos.. :P
ReplyDeletegermany's miroslav klose and lukas podolskit are born in poland but have german passports so they can both represent germany and poland.
How about North Korea. Most of their players are Zaninchi Koreans or Koreans born in Japan..
haha..
its really fine to have fil-foreigners.. atleast we do not naturalize players.. :p
maybe someday we can see a son of an expat from others countries representing philippines.. you know what I mean?? son of full-blooded foreigners!! haha. with their sons born in the philippines.. :p
thats what other countries are doing..
To Anonymous MAY 22, 2011 7:32 PM
ReplyDeleteI agree. Germany, along with many of the top European teams, now have foreigners born in their countries playing for their national teams. I'm sure there are many foreigners born in the Philippines who would love to play for our NT and proudly represent the Sun & Three Stars. Until the citizenship is modified, I'm afraid our NT will be exclusive to players with Filipino blood only.
In my humble opinion, I think it's about time the government makes revision to Philippine citizenship which should be given to ANY person born in the Philippines. If Philippine-born foreigners are going to live, work and contribute to the development of our beloved motherland, then they should be given equal access and provided every opportunity to be a part of our national sports teams.
well I believe that whatever race you are.Filipino or half blood Filipino,it doesn't matter.As long as you want to play for the national team is good enough.Even though azkal players(most of them are half-bloodied)they still wanna play in the national team even though they dont get much money than their clubs.But they still play, because as a part filipino they are proud to be pinoys.
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